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I grew up in a country (the UK)  where scientists often moved to the US because of better funding.  It was not just salaries but better labs, equipment, etc.  But I suspect there was also a lot of talk and no action -- We are not all Rosie O'Donell (Sp?)

Moving countries is not an easy thing to do emotionally (I did it, I know) and in the end some people just come back to their countries of birth.  I also have friends who swore they would move to new countries the moment they got their professional qualifications or PhDs.  They did move, realized they had made a big mistake and came home or went somewhere else, in one case emigrating to a third country (the US).

This was all back in the 1970s, but all current talk about leaving the US is emotional too, just in a different way.  It's ideological -- Nature reported recently that only 10 percent of political donations by scientists went to the GOP. Unfortunately, scientists have a habit of assuming that they have insight into everything and that science is more important than anything. This isn't true, of course. So I think a great deal of the emotion/petulance this time in the "I am going to leave" movement "if they don't fund my favorite program" is vulgar hatred of our President.

I was on a call with a very senior administrative guy at a very major American university a month or two ago and he couldn't get over the fact that Congress was going to be cutting funding for his quantum computing programs. He thought that it was just wrong that the new Congress didn't feel bound by the promises of Biden world. He was perhaps forgetting that it's been a long standing principle of American governance that no Congress need feel bound by what a previous one has decided.

Perhaps my Ivy League guy never knew. Which reminds me of what one of my teachers, the great philosopher of science Imre Lakatos once said in a private conversation -- that scientists understand as little about the environment in which science develops as goldfish do about hydrodynamics

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